Discussion:
wireless MIDI question and sysex
Harvey Starr
2013-09-25 00:32:02 UTC
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This may not be the right forum to ask this, but I think there are some
MIDI power-users here.

We have a new MIDI wireless transceiver we're releasing (AirPower2) to
replace our older system and I'm wondering whether it's really necessary
to include the MIDI Output from the transmitter to support Sysex dumps
into a keyboard. It's my impression that no one does sysex anymore and
if so, it's not via MIDI. Even if it was via MIDI, would you need it to
be done in a live, wireless environment? For instance, this system will
work well with a YRG, but is it vital to do live dumps into the device?

Any opinion are welcome.
cheers,
harvey
Ed Manning
2013-09-25 18:16:15 UTC
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In my view, there's no need for wireless Sysex dumps. However I expect it
may need to support Sysex controller data. This would be sent from more
advanced midi controllers where users may use Sysex rather than standard
midi controller codes for more advanced mapping. However it's not the
majority of uses, which would be just standard midi codes.



On a tangential note, I wonder if anyone will develop a wireless Roland GK
interface. That's 6-7 channels of audio and the on/off status of a few
switches.



Ed
Matthias Grob
2013-09-25 19:56:34 UTC
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I hear musicians complain who want to sync sequencers or loopers
maybe we eventually will transmit BPM, BarStart, LoopStart etc by Sysex?
On a tangential note, I wonder if anyone will develop a wireless Roland GK interface. That’s 6-7 channels of audio and the on/off status of a few switches.
this has been thought and calculated, especially since the cables are expensive and not very resistent
some even say that the lack of wireless is the main reason why polyphonic guitars did not catch yet
Jeff Smith
2013-09-25 21:48:05 UTC
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There has been some considerations and investigation in feasibility on a wireless GK system. I have inquired about this for quite a number of years and I came across this article some time ago by a fellow named Harald Milz.

This link is for his version 3.

http://www.muc.de/~hm/music/Wireless-GK/version3.html


This link is for version 5
http://www.muc.de/~hm/music/Wireless-GK/


As what has been discussed in the past by so many who have inquired about this is the cost. From what I can see is the amount of channels to be transmitted and received which would take a wide carrier medium similar to telemetry in multi-channel test. But I have my hopes with this eventually being developed in a user friendly system and price.

 If I won the lottery I would develop it myself because I tend to view the established GR, GK systems as instruments that may be out paced by newer tech like soft synths and USB. But to me I think of them a elegant and historically significant and may have certain qualities in artistic expression that may be lost by the newer tech. 

Having a Wireless GK system to me would be like having all of the great tone and expressiveness of analog and Vacuum tubes under MIDI control like programmable audio switchers and amp/cabinet switchers.
 


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I hear musicians complain who want to sync sequencers or loopers
maybe we eventually will transmit BPM, BarStart, LoopStart etc by Sysex?
On a tangential note, I wonder if anyone will develop a wireless Roland GK interface.  That’s 6-7 channels of audio and the on/off status of a few switches.
this has been thought and calculated, especially since the cables are expensive and not very resistent
some even say that the lack of wireless is the main reason why polyphonic guitars did not catch yet



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Harvey Starr
2013-09-26 16:34:35 UTC
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Thanks for the feedback.
RE your other comment, we did a 7-channel design for it a few years back
for a guy from Washburn but they didn't go for it. It's quite do-able.
- harvey
Post by Matthias Grob
I hear musicians complain who want to sync sequencers or loopers
maybe we eventually will transmit BPM, BarStart, LoopStart etc by Sysex?
On a tangential note, I wonder if anyone will develop a wireless Roland GK interface. That’s 6-7 channels of audio and the on/off status of a few switches.
this has been thought and calculated, especially since the cables are expensive and not very resistent
some even say that the lack of wireless is the main reason why polyphonic guitars did not catch yet
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2013-09-27 04:55:03 UTC
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Matthias Grob
2013-09-27 23:29:40 UTC
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thats interesting to hear, Harvey!
how quick was the transmission?
and how about battery life?
Post by Harvey Starr
Thanks for the feedback.
RE your other comment, we did a 7-channel design for it a few years back for a guy from Washburn but they didn't go for it. It's quite do-able.
- harvey
Post by Matthias Grob
On a tangential note, I wonder if anyone will develop a wireless Roland GK interface. That’s 6-7 channels of audio and the on/off status of a few switches.
this has been thought and calculated, especially since the cables are expensive and not very resistent
some even say that the lack of wireless is the main reason why polyphonic guitars did not catch yet
D. P.
2013-09-28 11:26:09 UTC
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I am not sure if Harvey spoke about 7 channel midi or 7 channel audio.
For midi, there are ready solutions on the market, but not for audio.

Cheers,
Djordje
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We have a new MIDI wireless transceiver we&#39;re releasing
(AirPower2) to replace our older system and I&#39;m wondering whether
it&#39;s really necessary to include the MIDI Output from the
transmitter to support Sysex dumps into a keyboard. It&#39;s my
impression that no one does sysex anymore and if so, it&#39;s not via
MIDI. Even if it was via MIDI,&nbsp; would you need it to be done in a
live, wireless environment? For instance, this system will work
well with a YRG, but is it vital to do live dumps into the device?<br>
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Les Fradkin
2013-09-25 20:25:46 UTC
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I use the wireless to play Roland hardware. Without the MIDI port, how could I dom that?

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You will never know what we do with our devices ;-)
Sysex is a standard and I owned and own a few devices where sysex is not supported. And I miss it...
/Philip
Visit my Music-Blog: www.lebirne.com
This may not be the right forum to ask this, but I think there are some MIDI power-users here.
We have a new MIDI wireless transceiver we're releasing (AirPower2) to replace our older system and I'm wondering whether it's really necessary to include the MIDI Output from the transmitter to support Sysex dumps into a keyboard. It's my impression that no one does sysex anymore and if so, it's not via MIDI. Even if it was via MIDI, would you need it to be done in a live, wireless environment? For instance, this system will work well with a YRG, but is it vital to do live dumps into the device?
Any opinion are welcome.
cheers,
harvey
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